Linker overzicht is uitgegeven door: "Compliments of Southwest Saving and Loan". De rechter munt is verkocht op Ebay $ 147.50 (euro 113).
De verkoper gaf de volgende omschrijving mee: "Under siege by the Spanish in 1577, residents of the city of Groningen in what is now The Netherlands, donated their silver plate to be made into emergency money. Clipped into square pieces, the plate was stamped to validate it as money so that the business of the city could go on. This piece, struck in 1577, is typical of the many siege and emergency pieces issued in Europe during this time. We will accept Money Orders/Cashiers Checks and CASH (US funds only, at your own risk)."
Mijn bericht aan de verkoper: "Dear midnightjadecnc, Hi, I saw this coin on ebay. Unfortunately it is a copy."
Met als antwoord: "From: "Danielle Birlew" firstname.lastname@example.org It's kind of hard to say it's fake because my Dad got these 40 years ago and southwest saving and loan didn't even exist. These coins are authentic."
Waarna Richard Burgess, van de Coin Forgery Discussion List, beantwoord met: "Arnout, From e-Bay: Under siege by the Spanish in 1577, residents of the city of Groningen in what is now The Netherlands, donated their silver plate to be made into emergency money. From the Southwest Savings and Loan card: Under siege by the Spanish in 1577, residents of the Netherlands city of Groningen donated their silver plate to be made into emergency money. Either midnightjadecnc and SSL are both plagiarizing the same source (Google turns up no hits) or the former is copied from the latter. The coins are otherwise identical in die configuration and placement and flan shape (how likely are these given the circumstances of the striking?) and there is no photo of the reverse (probably because the SSL doesn't have one). Draw your own conclusions."
Met als reactie van de verkoper: "Here's an idea, why don't you mind
your own damn business! Guess what, I can report you to Ebay for transaction
interference! You are not allowed to contact the buyer of another person's auction
to warn them away from the item or seller! The buyer sent me the copy of the email you
sent him and this email will just be more proof for Ebay! For your information, we have
pulled all our ancient coin auctions and
refunded everyone's money so we can send them off to be authenticated. Now will you butt out and go get yourself a life? I know I have much more important things to do than to harrass complete strangers about something that is none of your damn business to start with! If you feel the need to contact me further, please do. I will be sure to include a copy in my report to Ebay. Danielle Birles, Eric Birlew
Een typische reactie om te dreigen, zonder in te gaan of de munt echt of een naslag is. Ook het alleen contante betaling of met money order is gevaarlijk. Deze naslagen duiken af en toe op in Internetveilingen.
Arnout, I think you hit a nerve. The obvious response would have
been to provide a photo of the reverse (had it existed), rather than refund
everyone's money. Clearly she was covering her tracks and trying to avoid bad feedback and/or getting NARUed. Looks as though a lot of
scammed coin buyers owe you a debt of gratitude. Keep up the vigilance! Richard
|Type munt||Replica Set,Netherlands,Syria,Malacca,Spanish||Omschrift voorzijde||Muntconditie|
|Muntplaats||Voorzijde||Verkoper||van de replica set: email@example.com|
|1577 Halve Koningsdaalder - Noodmunt Groningen Stad - Copy??????? I do not
know if this item is the real item or a copy. I would prefer to list and sell it as a
copy.If it turns out to be the real item then you will be the big winner. It is a one
sided coin with good detail. Even if it is not the real item, it is still a nice historic
piece to own.
US $330,00 (EUR 207,25), 18-mei-08, ebay, themoneychest